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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2008, 05:05:27 PM »
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Are you attempting to look at it like a Robin Hood defender of the people? As a Paladin-like class?
More of a vigilante type, like Batman, the Punisher, or V.
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2008, 06:20:03 PM »
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I don't see Chaotic Good as worrying too much about defending the people in abstract.  Personally I think that falls more into neutral and lawful goods. Chaotic good guys, to me, strike me as the sort that really want the people to do for themselves, but will get involved when there is no other choice.  They'd rather focus on the evil they are fighting, which is how they help the people.
Exactly.  A shield at low level, a something or another I haven't decided on yet at mid-levels, then a weapon at higher levels.

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A village in the middle of nowhere is under threat of destruction by a rampaging horde of Zombies controlled by some necromancer trying ot make a kingdom of the dead. Two Paladins, unrelated, arrive to deal with the threat.

The Lawful Good Paladin is the guy who stands at the village gate, plants his feet and cries out 'You Shall Not Pass!', giving his life to defend the village.

The Chaotic Good Paladin tells the villagers to grab torches and pitchforks, see to their families and rides out into the night to find the necromancer and put him down, trusting the villagers to survive until he does.

But that could just be me.
Possibly.  ;)

I was looking at it from more of an urban perspective, as a sort of counter-balance to the LE guy, in some ways, but as a general agent of justice, as an aspect of fairness rather than actual legal dealings.

So, with the zombie village, the CG guy would rally the people, as you said, help them prepare a defense, assist in the zombie slaughter (as the villagers likely wouldn't survive on their own, and riding back to a town full of zombies is a bad idea), then ride off to deliver justice right to the heart of the evil necromancer.  CG would probably only stick around until the villagers had the battle well in hand.  Riding off and leaving them to their fate strikes me as rather CN.

I can even see the LG guy making an assessment that the village is but a cog in the grand scheme of things, and going straight for the necromancer as a blow for the greater good.  "I shall pray for your village, and assist in any way I can after I smite this bastion of evil!", where the CG will feel that the villagers' lives are more important than the bad guy miles away, who can be dealt with later.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2008, 06:44:18 PM »
Either way of looking at it is valid. I just see CG more as 'Ranger' mode of LotR, for example.  

An interesting take on paladins is in Warmachine, the Knights of the Wall, which just READ LG all over them, or at worst LN.

To me.
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2008, 08:38:02 PM »
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Either way of looking at it is valid. I just see CG more as 'Ranger' mode of LotR, for example.  

An interesting take on paladins is in Warmachine, the Knights of the Wall, which just READ LG all over them, or at worst LN.

To me.
Yeah, the LotR rangers were one inspiration, but I was leaning more for the urban  thief-ish type.  Rather than hiding out in the woods, they would be more active, but more solitary as well.  Groups of people in proximity are the breeding grounds for treachery and injustice, so a town would present more opportunity than the trackless wilds.

I was trying to puzzle out something like armour/defence, some metaphor I have yet to determine, then weaponry for three levels each.  Sort of like the plot of an action movie.  The hero is a bit naive, but protects his family/loved ones; hero finds out there are many others who need help with the bad guys; hero mobilizes and strikes at the heart of the evil/injustice/tyranny.  That is mostly where I was getting armour/fortification/weapon.  The sentry/sentinel thing wasn't working from the beginning, and several permutations didn't help.
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2008, 10:07:00 AM »
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More of a vigilante type, like Batman, the Punisher, or V.

Ahhh..much different...

Hey! Look! You've got two right in that explanation. Punisher, Vigilante; no?
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2008, 10:37:16 AM »
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Ahhh..much different...

Hey! Look! You've got two right in that explanation. Punisher, Vigilante; no?
Yeah, I was going to just call it The Goddamn Batman, but I think DC might have some words with me over that one.  :D

Seriously, those did go through my head briefly.  I was looking for something a bit more generic, but I can probably see using those somewhere in there.
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2008, 07:13:37 PM »
Regarding Rangers and your comments: I think the important factor is the mentality that governs those unconcerned by law, or even opposed to unjust law that is easily seen in that trope, even when moved from wilderness to urban areas.

Think less defender and more Avenger.
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2008, 10:01:38 PM »
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Regarding Rangers and your comments: I think the important factor is the mentality that governs those unconcerned by law, or even opposed to unjust law that is easily seen in that trope, even when moved from wilderness to urban areas.

Think less defender and more Avenger.
I was considering NG for avengers; but I may try something entirely different for them instead.  Make the CG more aggressive, charge them with going out and finding injustice, rather than hanging out until they find it.
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2008, 03:13:11 PM »
Ok, I switched the Sentinel over to NG instead, and will be doing a bit more to polish that one up, which means I will be starting over on the CG.  I need a couple of titles for the LN Exemplars, for which I am tentatively using 'Archon'.  Legal titles and suchlike:

Arbitrator
Mediator
???
???
Arbiter
Magistrate
Puisne
Judge
Archon

I'm not terribly jazzed with 'Puisne', but it fits for now.
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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2008, 07:55:57 PM »
Sorry... for a moment there i thought these were new titles for the CG guy...

One supposes you could toss in a few other legal terms like Baliff, and I wouldn't mind seeing, say, Warden moved over.  If you don't mind a tiny wiff of nautical stuff in there a Bosun always makes me think of the administration of rules and punishments.   Personally, I think its a poor match with your other terms, but I'm tapped at the moment.  Legate maybe?
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