Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Quote from: John MorrowNo.  And I think we've both said enough on the topic that anyone reading along can draw their own conclusions about our respective positions.

Oh, good. Then we can get off this merry-go-round.

Brilliant work, John Morrow.  Dancey, whom you quoted, is pretty well just speaking common sense. The more ways you have to play a game, the more popular that game will be, which is why Forge games are a bag of shit right from the start.

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Quote from: MelinglorPS. I do find it odd, being characterized as a sneaky little Forge spy. If I'd come on preacing GNS and spewing jargon around everywhere, I imagine I'd get a pretty hostile reception. So is this a case of damned if I do, damned if I don't?

Yes, absolutely. Because you see, this is not a Forge-fan site. Get that through your head.  This is a bastion of freedom that stands against the Forge's efforts to subvert roleplaying, and will not break in that stance (at least not for as long as I have breath left in me).

So yes, if you come in here to preach the Forge Theory, either obviously so or covertly so, you would be getting a hostile reception either way.

Mind you, if you said it in a straightforward way instead of coming here claiming that you are not part of that, I'd at least have a little more respect for you.  The slimy wormy underhandedness of how the Forge tries to take over sites is a big part of what I despise about them. Its spineless; the tactics of a group who know that they could never possibly receive majority approval in a democratic context, if people actually knew what they stood for.

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Quote from: RPGPunditSo yes, if you come in here to preach the Forge Theory, either obviously so or covertly so, you would be getting a hostile reception either way.

Hey, Pundit ... a quick question as I try to map the borders of your fervor:  Do you assume that anybody who comes to this site not already hating the Forge, and asks questions about what all the hub-bub is about must inherently be on the side of the Forge?  Are there, in short, no unallied parties left in your vision of the world?

Quote from: TonyLBHey, Pundit ... a quick question as I try to map the borders of your fervor:  Do you assume that anybody who comes to this site not already hating the Forge, and asks questions about what all the hub-bub is about must inherently be on the side of the Forge?  Are there, in short, no unallied parties left in your vision of the world?

No, but that was certainly not the case with Joel.  Its usually very easy to discern who is really ignorant of the whole thing, and who is just feigning ignorance for ideological purposes.

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Come on, Tony! That´s passive aggressive shit you´re talking.
Anybody can see that Melinglor is a sophomoric Forgeer-Loving weasel. He is neither up-front, nor funny. No truth, no joke, no balls.
He deserves a decent flame.

And you know that Pundit will and has treated Forgers respectfully.

First, I want to apologize.  This thread has taken on a life of its own and that was not my intention.  I had my answers in post #5.

Second, it is wonderful that this discussion can continue for this long and I definitely have learned something (although it is confusing as to "what I have learned" about Forge Theory...hehe).

Third, I think I will stick with the "Simple Fun" Theory of gaming.  "Do you have fun?" is the mantra, core and stick to be measured by.

Cheers.

Quote from: bobmangmThird, I think I will stick with the "Simple Fun" Theory of gaming.  "Do you have fun?" is the mantra, core and stick to be measured by.

Ahhh – but in what way do you have fun? And is it compatible with other people's fun?

Sometimes people think too much, too deep.  Go back and watch the D&D video on YouTube.  See what Gary says maybe his first RPG.  His, cops and robbers.  Us, we used to chase each other with broomsticks though the woods (good violent stuff) and we had a blast (and stitches, lost teeth and 1 concusion).  Nothing conplicated.  No grand agreement.  And nothing (especially no damned theory) could have made it better or a bigger memory.  

My "Simple Fun" theory is minimulistic in nature.  The less attached to it, the better it works.  A 3 year old can understand it.  But maybe not adults.    And who cares if others have fun???  I got mine.

I have a new theory..."Theories are crap".  I'm gonna go have a beer.  :cool:

Whatever works for you.