Quote from: droogI figure I must be part of the Swine masses, as Settembrini doesn't seem to have supplied any more choices.

Oh well, I'm used to being slotted into groups by others.

I was going for the masses category because I'm unhappy with my goverment and although I don't play what the "Kool Kids" are playing I do play with cool cats :hmm:

Regards,
David R

I have no idea what Pundit means by Swine anymore.  Is Ron Edwards a Swine?  Is Vincent Baker a Swine? Is Mark Rein·Hagen a Swine?  Is Rebecca Borgstrom a Swine?  Or are Swine only the people who play the games?  Or is it just a generic insult like "Jerk"?  :confused:

You're a Swine!



[Hey, I gotta say, though, Pundarr's latest rave at the top thread there made me giggle like a maniac.]

My take so far:

Pundit identifies two groups clearly: The Vampire-y swine and the Forge-y swine. He advocates raising the black flag and commencing to the cutting of throats. I have to suppress an urge to say "Hell yeah!" here, just because, well, you know. That would be fun.  

Settembrini describes a situation slightly differently. He also sees two groups. Forge Gamewrights (some, but not all of whom suck) and the Swine Masses (a malicious yet ultimately pathetic lot) that will follow whoever makes them feel good. But the groups are not mutually exclusive, as there's also a lot of Chris Chinn er.. I mean crossover of Swine Masses who identify-themselves-with Forge Gamewrights.  

I think Settembrini is suggesting a fairly slick method (the seperation into thematic and adventure games) by which the swine masses will have effectively segregated themselves out of the entire hobby. He surmises that once the division is complete, the Swine Masses effectively become 'their' problem community instead of 'our' problem community.

Which I say, good call.

So what's a "Vampire-y swine"?  Someone who plays Vampire?  A goth?  Or is it somehow connected to "storytelling"?

Far more importanly...



'John Lennon's newly painted psychedelic car drew some public outrage when a old woman, in London's downtown, attacked the car using her umbrella and yelling: "You swine, you swine! How dare you do this to a Rolls-Royce." '

:eek:

Maybe they ARE "Hippy Games"!!!

I hate that 60s memorabilia thing.

Peronally- I don't think just playing or liking anything makes you particularly swiney. I have two copies of Vampire on my shelves (two editions, really). I have three copies of Mage, if you are including the Sorcerer's Crusade. I liked those games and I played them plenty.

It's really only when you turn it into some kind of supremacist ideology about how this makes you superior to the peasantry that you actually grow a curly tail and your eyes shrink down to little piggy eyes.

If we could all agree to stop giving a shit about Ron Edwards, how much debate would be left?

Quote from: jrientsIf we could all agree to stop giving a shit about Ron Edwards, how much debate would be left?

Have you seen Pundit's blog today?

Quote from: StuartI have no idea what Pundit means by Swine anymore.  Is Ron Edwards a Swine?  Is Vincent Baker a Swine? Is Mark Rein·Hagen a Swine?  Is Rebecca Borgstrom a Swine?  Or are Swine only the people who play the games?  Or is it just a generic insult like "Jerk"?  :confused:

I think perhaps it used to mean something, but has degenerated into "anyone that disagres with me."

Quote from: StuartHave you seen Pundit's blog today?

Dude, it's all I can do to stay focused on his longer posts when he's "being the Pundit." Reading his blog is out of the question. Can you give those of us with low pain threshols the summary version?

Quote from: James McMurrayDude, it's all I can do to stay focused on his longer posts when he's "being the Pundit." Reading his blog is out of the question. Can you give those of us with low pain threshols the summary version?

Here's the abridged version...

Quote from: RPGPundits BlogKnowing a Lot About Bat Penises Don't Make You an Expert On RPGs

This is Ron Edward's Curriculum Vitae:

>> Ron Edward's full C.V. <<

Note the absolute lack of any qualifications relating to actual RPG theory.

* SNIP *

Ron Edward's specialty, apparently, is animal genitalia.

Quote from: StuartHave you seen Pundit's blog today?

Yes.  The fact that the dude's curriculum vitae lumps RPGs in with 'other marginal activities' is the single most insightful commentary on the Theory Wars in the history of RPGs.

Ummm... Is there any places to go to get a RPG Theory degree? If not it seems pretty moronic to try and bitch about someone not having an RPG Theory degree.

What are pundit's qualifications for anything RPG related. Apart from being a loudmouth with lots of opinions he has one unpublished and unoriginal game. Somehow we're supposed to think that's better than a guy who has written (and published, and sold) two different games and a theory that is often quoted as an industry standard.

When's the last time you were on a board and saw someone post the insightful, "ah, but you see, Pundit says you're a fucktard" and walk away with a debate victory?

The source for that CV is here. It's a college website which is presumably either his job or it was his job. In other words, it's a resume. How many people put "I Play D&D" at the top of their academic resume? That it's on there at all says to me he's very serious about games. You'll certainly never see D&D at the top of my resume unless I write something for it and am applying for a job that it applies.

He also doesn't list any of his RPG publications, but they certainly exist. Basically, pointing at an academic resume that obviously does not include someone's RPG experiences and saying that it means they don't have any RPG experience is Punditry at it's most pathetic. Is Ron Edwards really such an unhittable target that he had to ignore reality to get a jab in?