Quote from: paris80;288653Huh?

If a game suggests that its participants play roles, isn't it therefore a roleplaying game?

A "host your own murder mystery party" or LARP do that; so does online chat room cyber-sex, or harry potter forum-RP, or Ren Faires or SCA, and tons of other things. Even in Heroquest, you play the Wizard or the Barbarian or whatever.
So no, "playing roles" is not, by itself, enough to qualify for the kind of RPG we're talking about here. There are lots of hobbies that involve roleplaying, Tabletop RPGs are a particular kind of hobby and must be defined more specifically than that.

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Quote from: CavScout;288692Poor Pundy, persecuted on his own forum.

Sniped at, by mental infants sent here to try to bring this site down, because it represents the failure of their respective movements' ideologies, and the success of mine.

Don't pity me, I seem pretty handy at taking on five or six of you at a time. Seriously, I'm barely breaking a sweat here. You guys are pathetic compared to the kind of opponents I faced in the good old days.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;288771Sniped at, by mental infants sent here to try to bring this site down, because it represents the failure of their respective movements' ideologies, and the success of mine.

Don't pity me, I seem pretty handy at taking on five or six of you at a time. Seriously, I'm barely breaking a sweat here. You guys are pathetic compared to the kind of opponents I faced in the good old days.

So you do think you're persecuted on your own forum. Interesting.

Oh, and exercising moderation powers is not exactly "winning" anything. If anything, it reveals when you felt you’ve lost whatever fight you see yourself in. You go nuclear simply because you can and have no other option.

PS: You are getting increasingly paranoid if you think folks who happen to agree in their disagreement of you are part of some large, planned operation to take down web fourm.

Quote from: RPGPundit;288771Sniped at, by mental infants sent here to try to bring this site down, because it represents the failure of their respective movements' ideologies, and the success of mine.

Don't pity me, I seem pretty handy at taking on five or six of you at a time. Seriously, I'm barely breaking a sweat here. You guys are pathetic compared to the kind of opponents I faced in the good old days.

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Hahahahahaha

Sent by whom, you say? Please, point to me who's my hidden master, so hidden that I don't even know I have one.

My ideology? What's my ideology, oh genius? I'm curious.

You're not taking on no-one here, pal. Actually, you don't even answer the parts of the posts which prove you're lying. No rethoric skills here.

Some of them have been here for some time, from Storygames or other sites, have no interest in this site, and only want to cause trouble.

Others came here from my blog, where they'd regularly express how much they hate me and wanted to do the same on the forum.

And then there are a few, like you, who I suspect are just bitter pathetic loners; you're dedicating your time to attacking me because you can't post about your right-wing politics anymore.

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Quote from: Imperator;288781Hahahahahaha

Sent by whom, you say? Please, point to me who's my hidden master, so hidden that I don't even know I have one.

My ideology? What's my ideology, oh genius? I'm curious.

You're not taking on no-one here, pal. Actually, you don't even answer the parts of the posts which prove you're lying. No rethoric skills here.

You'd need to be able to make a point before I could respond to it. Occasionally, you personally have (others who attack me here haven't EVER made appoint, their argument boiling down to "I Hate teh Pundit!! He's a poopyhead!"). Most of the times, though, you're all about "the Pundit is really mean and he thinks he's so cool and people don't think i'm cool so its not fair! Wahh!".

Like Cavscout, you weren't sent by anyone. You're just one of these penis-size comparison obessives, determined to try to prove that I'm not bigger or better than you, because you're very very insecure.

Pobrecito.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;288768You know what? I've changed my mind. This thread goes to Off-topic, and consider yourself warned.

This is bullshit.

Burning Wheel not an RPG? That is such a fucked up notion. You are doing exactly what you accuse RPG.net of doing: ruining the website with moderation based on your weird biased views.

Only even RPG.net would not pull something like this.

I just came back to discuss roleplaying games only a few days ago. While this forum was not perfect (what with your useless dedicated vanity sub-forum and your over-the-top rants at times) it's always been at least a community driven by diversity and some freedom for its users.

Now, it is not anymore. And I will look at other options, including RPG.net.

It's useless to suggest but: You should reconsider, man. At least run a poll or something. I'm going to hang around the next few days in hope you come to your senses.

Quote from: RPGPundit;288784Some of them have been here for some time, from Storygames or other sites, have no interest in this site, and only want to cause trouble.

Others came here from my blog, where they'd regularly express how much they hate me and wanted to do the same on the forum.

And then there are a few, like you, who I suspect are just bitter pathetic loners; you're dedicating your time to attacking me because you can't post about your right-wing politics anymore.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA

Dude, you always go a step further. I can't speak for anyone but me, so maybe there's a conspiracy and really those sites are actively sending agents here to laugh at your rantings or something, I don't know and I don't care.

Your suspicions are waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base, but that's something that only shows that you don't have nothing apart from trying to make people upset with personal attacks Like that time when you said that retarded thing about Spanish You're not even able to answer to the facts I'm presenting you to prove that your affirmations are false. You conveniently ignore them and try again the attack shit. Sorry, not working.

I spend my time here because I like the place, and many people here And fortunately, my work allows for that. Get over it. You're not the only guy who gets to freelance from home, or whatever you do for a living.

PS: On the right - wing ideology, I'm curious I'm a card-carrying member of the communist party since I was 16, though I'm more of an anarchist. Dude, just call me catholic and be done being wrong

I think he was referring to CavScout...

But you guys don't get it. This is how it's done. You give him fuel. It's like debating anyone who is not really interested in debating. They are not in it to explain a position or enlighten, only to drive more posts or to shill.

Don't feed the troll that owns the site! :teehee:

Quote from: RPGPundit;288787You'd need to be able to make a point before I could respond to it.

I have made it. Several times, quoting the text being discussed to prove you lie. Liar. Care to answer to that?

QuoteOccasionally, you personally have (others who attack me here haven't EVER made appoint, their argument boiling down to "I Hate teh Pundit!! He's a poopyhead!").

You and I agree on many topics, and when I agree with you I say it. And I don't think that the real you behind the Pundit online persona has much to do with the online git you insist on being.

QuoteMost of the times, though, you're all about "the Pundit is really mean and he thinks he's so cool and people don't think i'm cool so its not fair! Wahh!".

Frankly, if I wanted to find appreciation by others I wouldn't look for it in an RPG messageboard. But that assumption of you is really interesting. After all, I'm not obsessed with the number of hits in my blog

QuoteLike Cavscout, you weren't sent by anyone. You're just one of these penis-size comparison obessives, determined to try to prove that I'm not bigger or better than you, because you're very very insecure.

Man, that would be less fun if you weren't the one obsessed with how many people visits this place, your blog, and were not constantly wailing on how famous you are and how influential you are and bullshit like that. As far as I can remember, the only one here engaged in popularity contests is you.

QuotePobrecito.

Nice touch, I like Spanish. Around Granada we say pobrecico, tough, and here in Barcelona they say pubret, which sounds funny.

I think this should go back to the RPG forum, but only if pundit and his detractors keep their spat out of the thread. If showers of forgie and storygames links appear, then it goes back here. We've seen the viral marketing before, but just to remind Pundit, Hinterwelt (Bill) is pretty far from a forgie.

Not that i get a casting vote, mind.

I must admit I am mystified by this decision.  Bill started this discussion in honest and open inquisitiveness.  Even the story games and forgite games have mechanics that can be objectively discussed.  I found this thread interesting and informative.  I haven't really invested any time in exploring these types of games, and I am intrigued and curious about the mechanics of these types of games.  There were several posters who provided valuable and succinct information concerning the mechanics of several well-known games, information that was new and interesting to me.  I've always been interested in BW for example because it's portrayed as an old-school type of role-playing game, and I'm not going to drop serious cash on an inquisitive whim.

Quote from: One Horse Town;288798I think this should go back to the RPG forum, but only if pundit and his detractors keep their spat out of the thread. If showers of forgie and storygames links appear, then it goes back here. We've seen the viral marketing before, but just to remind Pundit, Hinterwelt (Bill) is pretty far from a forgie.

Not that i get a casting vote, mind.

It's not a question of attacking the Pundit. It's a question of answering what Bill asked, and also a question of demonstrating what those books say and what they don't. If that false claims had been made by any other person, I would have reacted the same way: showing proof for my position.

Quote from: HinterWelt;288638As far as that goes, how does Amber work? What is its TR? Personally, from what I have heard, Amber seems less an RPG than either of these games but I am interested in the mechanics of how it works.

I suppose we aren't going to see a response to this, either, even in the light of those recent Gygax threads.

Quote from: RPGPundit;288768Riiight.. so you came from the thread where I specifically said "these games cannot be discussed in RPG Main", and you go on to post a thread about them on RPG main, and yet you weren't trying to instigate?

Seriously? You are that afraid of discussion about the mechanics of these games. I expected more from you Pundit.

Quote from: RPGPundit;288768You know what? I've changed my mind. This thread goes to Off-topic, and consider yourself warned. Don't pull this shit again. Intentionally posting off-topic subjects in the main page in order to disrupt the site just to engage in a personal dispute against a poster (any poster, but me included in that list) is one of the few things we don't allow around here.

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I really do not care where the thread is. It is about role playing games. If you wish to ghettoize a section of games that you have some ideological issues with, that is definitely your prerogative. You wish to "warn" me like you are some RPGNet mod, feel free. If this is just a precursor to get rid of some poster you don't like then cut to the chase because there is nothing I will be able to do one way or another. You will eventually find some reason to ban me no matter how much I toe the line.

That said, the REAL reason I started the thread was partly as I said, because you keep referring to these games as "Not real RPGS". Now, I was trained as an engineer. I look are things in terms of form and function, properties if you will. I don't now these games. People are kind enough to list the properties, form and function of these games so as to make a comparison. No theory. No agenda. Just a list of how the games work (and I appreciate that folks). Which brings me to the second reason I posted this thread.

Ideas. I already have one from BW about experience that I will most likely be implementing for that system. Ideas are golden and can come from all directions. Again, I will probably put a trad spin on it but there it is, that is the type of games I write.

Now, if someone is tweaking you in the help forum and getting you pissed off, I suggest you take it out on them. I am not disrupting anything. I am talking about games. You seem to want to talk about ideology. Please go start your own thread to discuss ideology while the rest of us discuss games. Thanks.

Now, for those of you reading along. No, I am not "flaming out". I am actually pretty calm about the whole thing. If you read the above with, as my 4 year old says, "Angry-Angry Voice"  then you missed the point. Reread with calm dispassion.

Now, if this is my last post here, let me say, I regret I have only one account to give the emperor.