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Title: Adam is still toxic
Post by: zircher on February 28, 2021, 01:57:54 PM
Wow, I guess they're not big on forgiveness...

https://www.geeknative.com/129130/kickstarters-head-of-community-luke-crane-cancels-their-own-rpg-zine-after-controversy-backlash/ (https://www.geeknative.com/129130/kickstarters-head-of-community-luke-crane-cancels-their-own-rpg-zine-after-controversy-backlash/)
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: robh on February 28, 2021, 06:29:02 PM
(http://memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4810176.jpg)

One less piece of woke bullshit on the market
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Godfather Punk on March 01, 2021, 01:31:32 AM
(https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/son-of-a-bit-he-stole-my-line-robin-williams.gif)
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: zircher on March 01, 2021, 10:44:39 AM
LMAO!  Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: robh on March 01, 2021, 12:59:43 PM
Sorry GP   :-[

We obviously grew up watching the same great TV.  Shame they cannot ever be shown again.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Godfather Punk on March 01, 2021, 01:39:48 PM
You can always borrow my uncensored dvd's, which I keep next to my hotpants-WonderWoman and Are You  Being Served sets :)

So, back on topic,  I remember the Cowbell guy from a kerfuffle a few months ago, but where is Luke Crane on the scale of SJW-to-Shitlord? The KS comments make it seem as if he was on purpose creating the controversy.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Samsquantch on March 26, 2021, 08:40:23 PM
Sorry GP   :-[

We obviously grew up watching the same great TV.  Shame they cannot ever be shown again.

What show is it? We got a lot of UK shows here in Canada and that character looks very familiar but I can't place it...
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Godfather Punk on March 27, 2021, 04:20:19 AM
'It ain't half hot, mum.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Ain%27t_Half_Hot_Mum

Quote
It Ain't Half Hot, Mum is a BBC television sitcom about a Royal Artillery concert party based in Deolali in British India and the fictional village of Tin Min in Burma, during the last months of the Second World War. It was written by Jimmy Perry and David Croft, who had both served in similar roles in India during that war. .... The series has been accused of racism, homophobia and pandering to imperialism.
Any modern day tv critic with an ounce of woke would have a stroke.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: robh on March 27, 2021, 08:06:38 AM
Sadly the woke hate is so poorly informed and intellectually redundant that it totally fails to recognise the deliberate satire in the writing and that the characters they see as 'repressed' are actually in charge of the whole thing.  Brilliantly written and a very talented cast of actors.


In other news, Luke Crane has fallen on his sword, or his virtue signalling employers stuck it into him depending on your view:
https://www.polygon.com/22352782/kickstarter-luke-crane-perfect-rpg-adam-koebel
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Samsquantch on March 29, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
I have no love for Adam, at all. But I do feel sorry for him not being able to work in the gaming industry. At some point an apology should be enough and then we move on. But then again, he was one of those leading the charge to cancel everyone else before they got to him. He always struck me a predator though and it turns out I was right if testimony is true.

Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 30, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
In capitalism, the proper way to do things is,

1. create good or service people want
2. sell it to them

in that order. Kickstarter reverses the natural order of things, and thus is bound to lead to all sorts of perversions.

Just take the time to make a proper product and self-publish or whatever, then you can't be cancelled by anyone. You also can't collect a wad of cash and then delay for years and eventually give people nothing. It's better for everyone.

Cancel Kickstarter!
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Pat on March 30, 2021, 09:44:55 AM
In capitalism, the proper way to do things is,

1. create good or service people want
2. sell it to them

in that order. Kickstarter reverses the natural order of things, and thus is bound to lead to all sorts of perversions.

Just take the time to make a proper product and self-publish or whatever, then you can't be cancelled by anyone. You also can't collect a wad of cash and then delay for years and eventually give people nothing. It's better for everyone.

Cancel Kickstarter!
The "natural order" sounds like a conservative version of the "right side of history", which is a toxic faux-argument. But the more general point is an interesting one, because from a neoclassical perspective (often represented by the Austrian school, today), the entrepreneur what makes the economy more efficient, and thus is essential to economic growth and development. The entrepreneur does this by taking risks, specifically expending capital and resources today in order to make the production of consumer goods more efficient tomorrow. The market rewards those who act efficiently, and destroys those who do not, and the end result is a more efficient process of production. That's why entrepreneurs reap the profits, and not their employees, who are paid before the capital development is finished, and thus don't take the same risk.

But while entrepreneurs sometimes use their own money, they more commonly get it from investors. So getting money before something is produced is not significant change, for the creator of a Kickstarter project. The main difference is they have many small investors, instead of a few large ones.

But it's a major change, from the perspective of the investor, or backer. Because the backer has been stripped of the potential upside of being an investor, which is the profits. At most, they get what they preordred. So they're investors from the perspective of the KS creator, but from their own perspective, they're not investors at all. They're consumers who pre-ordered a specific product. This creates an asymmetry of expectations, because the creator sees them as investors who took a gamble, but the backers see themselves as people who just paid money for a product.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 30, 2021, 07:19:37 PM
But while entrepreneurs sometimes use their own money, they more commonly get it from investors. [...] But it's a major change, from the perspective of the investor, or backer. Because the backer has been stripped of the potential upside of being an investor, which is the profits.
Correct. Which is why it's bullshit, and leads to perversions.

Cancel Kickstarter!
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: Samsquantch on April 01, 2021, 02:56:35 AM
I've gotten a lot of quality rpg products via Kickstarter so it's not all bad. For instance, I've gotten many, many, 3d files for dungeons, buildings, terrain, and minis via Kickstarter. I've also received great sets with tons of extras from Goodman Games for DCC, MCC, and Lankhmar boxed sets, plus great books from Kobold Press and other publishers that didn't contain an ounce of woke. It's just been the last couple of years that it's gotten so damn flakey with wokeness. There have been a lot of rip offs too with no products being delivered but I've only had maybe 4 or 5 out of dozens and dozens of successful ones.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: crkrueger on April 06, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
Live by the Mob, die by the Mob.
Title: Re: Adam is still toxic
Post by: ScytheSong on April 06, 2021, 06:36:09 PM
You can always borrow my uncensored dvd's, which I keep next to my hotpants-WonderWoman and Are You  Being Served sets :)

So, back on topic,  I remember the Cowbell guy from a kerfuffle a few months ago, but where is Luke Crane on the scale of SJW-to-Shitlord? The KS comments make it seem as if he was on purpose creating the controversy.

On the scale of SJW-to-Shitlord, he is classic Swine. One of the original Forgies, he's all about producing only what he wants to produce, keeping full control of the entire process, and scolding you if you want him to do things your way rather than his way. This is the guy who went and got instruction in layout before he finished Burning Wheel so he didn't have to argue aesthetics with a layout designer. This is also the guy who pissed some people off by running a Kickstarter entirely in-character as a grumpy wizard.